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The Connection Between Michael Jackson & The Neptunes

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michael_jacksonWe already discussed this on the Forum but I wanted to share this with y’all. Michael Jackson had endeavored to return to the studio for several years. In 2001 he was offered a bundle of songs from The Neptunes. MJ’s management rejected them and they found their way to Justin Timberlake – creating the breakthrough album Justified. Turning those songs down was perhaps the biggest mistake of his musical career. “Some of the songs he made were offered to Michael Jackson first. But Jackson’s manager said the songs were not good enough so they were given to Justin Timberlake instead” said Pharrell.

the-neptunesSo everyone have been asking how The Neptunes gave Justin Timberlake the MJ tracks when you cleary see them actually crafting some tracks on the Justified Session DVD’s such as “Let’s Take A Ride” (the bridge became “What’s A Guy Gotta Do” which then went to Usher). You see Pharrell & Justin writing the lyrics but not the beat right, so they obviously only used the actual Neptunes MJ Demo Instrumentals, added Live drums and wrote lyrics for JT. “It would’ve been great with Michael but Justin is my boy, I’m so glad that it turned out the way it did, because that was a wonderful experience for us to do that kinda work and for those songs to be brought to life” said Pharrell. Nonethenless, Usher has also songs that were meant to be for Michael, produced by The Neptunes. In the book “Michael Jackson – For The Record” (published 2007) and “MJ – The Solo Years” (Published 2003)
it’s stated that these tracks were written for Michael Jackson.

Usher – 8721 (2001)
- U Don’t Have To Call
- I Don’t Know

Justin Timberlake – Justified (2002)
- Senorita
- Take It From Here
- Let’s Take A Ride
- Last Night
- Nothin’ Else

Justin Timberlake – Justified (Studio Session) (2002)
Usher – What’s A Guy Gotta Do

Justin Timberlake & The Neptunes – Senorita (Improvised Jam Session) (MP3)
This is one of the tunes from the JT DVD that i’ve been working on the JUSTIFIED STUDIO SESSION Project since almost 4 years now. I’m making a Justified Studio Session album complete off the DVD Session of every track you see there. I never got the time to finish it up but i’m still working on it and I’m almost done. Y’all remember the Like I Love You Demo with Pharrell I edited 4 years ago, well thats from that project. Can’t wait to show y’all the whole thing I worked on. Thanks to Bruce Wayne, Aaron and Ilovenerd for the Info.

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  1. I really don’t know what you are talking about MJ having the worst mistake of his career…that album still sold two million copies and got good reviews. MJ is the immortal king of pop, and whatever he does turns into platinum…so I really don’t see why you cant let that guy rest in peace. It wasn’t anything drastic that he HAD to work with the Neptunes because they were all that and a bag of chips.

  2. I think the point is that MJ turned down songs because “they were not good enough”, and the songs turned out to be great, would they have been great had MJ taken the songs we’ll never know, but the were good beginnings… and this was at a time when he wanted to make a comeback and be current in pop music which was he never really able to do, and his last album even tho it sold 2 mil records it was not really a fan or critic hit.

  3. I hardly think MJ made a career mistake. Invisible is a great album regardless. 40 years of music . I’m just saying Michael Jackson 750 million albums sold and Justin’s first album – which was much anticipated. I would say it worked out for the best for The Neptunes working with JT & Usher, those songs stay in rotation. I don’t see Rodney Jerkins getting this kind of love by having MJ choose his songs instead. Just the opportunity to work with MJ is an honor even if you didn’t make the album.

  4. Thank you Mika!
    I wonder how the demos that the Neps sent out to MJ sounded like – I reckon they must have sound like shit.
    I mean, “Last Night” sounded very cheap when they sequenced it.
    Just a funny thought, imagine how bad Justified would have sound if it wasn’t for the live instruments.
    It’s like comparing the first and second leg of “In Search Of…” where the first one was, at least for me, really poor.

    However, imagine Michael sing “U Don’t Have To Call”, man what a fucking monster seeing Michael in the video go like:
    “Gonna boogie tonight, cause I’m honestly too young of a guy, to stay home waiting for love. So tonight I’m gonna do what every single man should… and that’s party”.
    That shit right there, I get chills only by thinking of it.

    I miss Michael so much :(
    I feel just like Teddy, it’s hard to hold back tears and it’s impossible to be “ok” that MJ is not with us any more:
    http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/06/27/intv.lemon.teddy.riley.cnn

    BTW, “Pharrell’s Steps to Success Pt 2 of 3 [Rest In Beats]” is up:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZndDrUbQU

  5. If MJ made the biggest mistake then how come Justins second album was bigger then his first OH i forgot because Timbaland murdered the heck out of every Neptune beat on JT’s first album.

  6. lol calm down i didt say that i just copy pasted it from articles, michael was my idol when i was like 10

  7. Oh I know you didn’t say it Mika, lol. Critics have written that since it came out MJ passed on those songs/beats. I always get worked up when it comes to MJ since I’ve been old enough to get on defense I would say it started at 8 out in the school yard, lol!

  8. FIRST OF ALL, I GREW UP ON MJ–MY MOTHER BOUGHT ME SECOND HAND LOAFERS, AND SEWED SEQUINS ON A WHITE GLOVE AND WHITE SOCKS FOR ME–AND I KNEW ALL HIS MOVES BY HEART—BUT SPEAKING AS A PRODUCER IT WAS A MISTAKE—MICHAEL AT THIS POINT HAD A DECISION TO MAKE—EITHER STAY CURRENT AND RELEVANT–OR DO THE SAME OLD THING. SEE, THE OLD MICHAEL STUFF WAS GREAT BCUZ NOBODY EVER HEARD IT BEFORE. tHE 90′S MICHAEL WAS ACTUALLY WHERE HE WAS DOING WHAT THEY WERE ASKING–HIS SOUND WAS CURRENT I.E. “NEW JACK SWING” COURTESY OF TEDDY RILEY. WHICH WAS NEW AS A WHOLE–BUT NOT REALLY A DISTINCT NEW SOUND FOR MJ BCUZ OTHER ARTISTS WERE ALREADY DOING IT. THRILLER AND BAD WERE GROUNDBREAKING. TO GO WITH THE NEPTUNES WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER–WHY? WELL, IF U KNO THE NEPTUNES AT ALL THEN U KNO WHAT ALSO COULD HAVE HAPPENED WAS A LOOK INTO THEIR MINDS AND WHAT ELSE THEY COULD COME UP WITH. IF U LISTEN TO THEIR ARTIST KENNA’S FIRST ALBUM–IT SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE THE NEPTUNES! AND N.E.R.D.? IMAGINE A BRAINSTORM WITH NEW SOUNDS AND IDEAS THAT THE NEPTUNES ARE NOT AFRAID TO DO. THIS COULD HAVE LED TO A COUPLE!! OF GREAT NEW ALBUMS. WHILE DARKCHILD (RODNEY JERKINS) IS VERY TALENTED–THE FURTHEST I’VE HEARD HIM GO OUT THE BOX IS JUST TAKING A STEADY BASS DRUM PATTERN WITH NO SNARE (HOUSE MUSIC, TRANCE). SO WHEN U GET A CHANCE–LISTEN TO THE WHOLE NEPTUNES CATALOG AND SEE WHAT THEY REALLY HAVE TO OFFER.

  9. I’ve never heard of any of those songs listed above from the Timberlake/Usher albums, so they really can’t have been all that good after all. Frankly, the Neptunes are a bit boring, especially compared to Jackson’s past form, so no wonder MJ’s management said no.

  10. you’ve never heard of “u don’t have to call” or “senorita” even though they were top 10 hits? and you’ve never heard of the album “justified” which was a huge success, number 1 all over the world and won grammies…. um okay Ali, i think that says more about you than it does about the music

  11. When Teddy Riley played tracks for Michael for his Dangerous LP, Michael liked “Remember The Time” immediately. If he didn’t have that immediate reacion to the Neptune tracks, the songs simply were not meant for Michael. They were meant fror Justin. Michael went by feeling and emotion. If he wasn’t feeling the Neptune songs and turned them down, that doesn’t mean his made the biggest mistake of his career. The man sold over 100 million records with Thriller alone and no one has topped that since. Michael Jackson had nothing to prove by doing a song with the Neptunes.

  12. Sandy, MJ didnt turn the songs down. His management did.

  13. mj dnt need neptunes or timberland or any oda producer, as far as im concerned one man reigns supreme anyone here heard of QUINCY JONES lo a geneis the ultimate master no one compares. So if u ask me MJ wud have no regrets coz he worked with the greatest

  14. Quincy Jones aint no greatest. He wouldn’t survive in the REAL modern production world today

  15. Quincy Jones still makes music and is on the charts and wins awards. He crosses all genres of music. And he produces music with REAL instruments and actual sheet music, not some producing software or machine. If it wasn’t for Quincy working with Michael so many of our great producers of today would’ve pursued other careers. He’s the spark that lit the fire. He is survival of the fittest. The producers that rely on modern production wouldn’t have survived 40 years ago while Quincy been there done that and is still doing it.

  16. o thank god 4 ppl such as lacey…u knw ur music dwn to a T. Thers few ppl like u left.

  17. Hi, I`m looking for this Justified Studio Session on DVD but I can`t find something about that than on youtube. Is there a way to get those videos on DVD? What`s the title of the DVD? It would be great if you could help me.
    Thanks!

  18. Hi ppl, I know it’s a very old post, but l was actually looking for the exact inspiration songs from the justified album ( Neptunes production of course). This leads me here to your post Mika and comments. So we have the answer now from Pharrell himself!!!
    huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/watch-the-tanning-effect-pharrell_n_1098323.html
    Watch the part 2, where Pharrell explained MJ liked the songs actually. Indeed, it will be great to see MJ singing those songs because it would be a bit different with MJ talent and feeling, but Justin made a good job. We really need more classic album like this !!!

  19. Thank you Thierry, I’ve red that before :D

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